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mtraven's avatar

Wonderful. You might be interested in this https://omniorthogonal.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-opposite-of-mathematics.html which also talks about the Bob Thomason / ghost of Tom Trobaugh collaboration.

I'm a little confused by what the philosophical stakes are here. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge the role of imagination in mathematics, but I don't quite see how that refutes or contradicts Platonism.

Imagination is not, in general, producing just any old thing. It has constraints, even dreams and fictions have constraints. Mathematical imagination has sharper constraints than most forms of it. In effect mathematical imagination feels like it is convergent upon something that pre-exists the imagination. But that is just Platonism. Whether the target of convergence actually pre-exists in a separate realm or not, well, that's sort of just a way of talking, but as you say, we have to act like it is real, so why not just acknowledge it as real?

Sorry if I am clueless, I probably need to read your stuff in more detail.

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Owen Kahn's avatar

I didn’t see Brouwer’s intuitionism mentioned in your previous post or the comments. Are you familiar with this notion of mentally constructed mathematical objects, and does your conceptual view differ significantly?

Re: platonic ontology vs. model theory, first-order logic is unable to capture “real” objects thanks to Gödel’s completeness and incompleteness theorems, but this might be an artifact of the formalization: the same isn’t necessarily true of second-order logic with the standard semantics, which has no completeness result.

In addition to Brouwer, I think you’d get something out of the talks and short expository papers of George Boolos and Edward Nelson.

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