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Jameson Graber's avatar

A few thoughts.

1. Geoff Hinton has said lots of stupid things about AI.

2. In some sense it feels like researchers at the more elite schools are *more* threatened by these developments. I'm just a humble math professor trying to make an honest living as a teacher-scholar. I'm not trying to solve Millenium Prize problems. I've always thought teaching was an essential pillar of my calling, since long before the AI explosion. In fact, I've always thought that giving a talk at a conference is part of that pillar.

3. Which brings me to my next point. The mathematicians *I* interact with (including some very, very good ones) certainly don't *seem* to cling to this "honor code" as you call it (though maybe they do, behind my back?). It's more about what you bring to your particular intellectual community. But then again, maybe this is because, as I said, I'm not trying to knock out age-old conjectures.

4. We did not sell a bill of goods to 8 billion people. 99% of the planet has no idea what we do and never did. They probably assume we get paid to teach (which, to be fair, is true). Even the funding that is given out by the government for us to do research is largely allocated by...us. This is an impressive situation. It seems the people who need most convincing that mathematics will still be useful in the future are mathematicians. OK maybe computer scientists too.

5. All of the hand wringing about how college degrees are going to be worthless misses an extremely important point. According to an intellectual's criteria for utility, college degrees *already are* useless and have been for many years, probably decades. AI has certainly made cheating much easier (seriously, people, stop grading homework!) but students always found ways to cheat. What's interesting is that when I talk to prospective students, they actually don't seem to be that down on the whole idea of college. The drop in demand for college these days has much more to do with the demographic cliff than with AI. What value exactly people get out of going to college is a huge complex issue, but I can assure you it is mostly not intellectual.

6. I try to remain mostly optimistic about what AI can do for us mathematicians, at least in the short run. If it can prove lemmas and theorems for us, great. Calculators brought an end to one kind of doing math, AI will bring an end to another kind. In the long run, though, I gotta say there is something deeply unsettling about the confident prediction that, sure, machines will eventually be better than humans at math in every way, including creativity. When that is the case, I think there is literally nothing that they need humans for--those same skills will also make them scientists and engineers and anything they want ("want"??) to be. If they can "understand" the world in even greater clarity than we can, then basically this planet belongs to them. So, yeah, for me it's hard to just casually read over such predictions and think "oh yeah of course why not." And when I read this whole thing from that perspective, I think, are we even talking about the right thing?

Darij Grinberg's avatar

This is the most insightful and serious discussion of the implications of recent AI advances on mathematics I've seen so far. No regrets over reading the 35 pages!

I am more pessimistic about academia and more optimistic about mathematics.

The pessimism first: The college system, at least in America, seems too big of a ship to turn, even if the captains weren't asleep at the wheels. Faculty might be doing research but are paid for teaching, most of it at the undergrad level. AI destroys the signaling value (via assignment cheating) while simultaneously creating cheap competition for the learning value (GPT-5.4 is a patient explainer and certainly competent enough to replace a undergrad lecturer). Given that the other two legs of the student experience (socializing and matchmaking) have been broken under the weight of administrative pressure over the last two decades, and even the role of colleges as an immigration pipeline is under attack now, I don't see what could stabilize the colossus once it starts tumbling. But teaching aside, the most telltale sign of universities' decline is how little they have contributed to what is clearly the main industrial innovation of the last decade: The WWW was half an academic project; the free software ecosystem (which later gave us Android) was still to a large extent developed at colleges; but the role of universities in modern AI is... basically standing in the peanut gallery and occasionally writing "something with AI in the title" papers for all I see.

But I'm in maths because I want to know answers to my questions, and on that front I'm only seeing progress. Around a month ago I realized that GPT-5.4 can actually solve some problems I was struggling with (as long as I was ready to sift through a lot of plausible-sounding bullshit). It one-shotted three of my long-standing MathOverflow questions (I still had to fill in some details, but GPT's output would have passed as a proof in a mediocrely written paper), and helped enough with another that I could finish the solution myself. The proofs were all on the computational side, but this doesn't mean straightforward; the AI had to guess the right formulas to induct on, sometimes several times. The proofs were not obvious in hindsight, but also -- except for one case -- not overly full of unmotivated tricks; I learnt new things from each of them. You can judge for yourself:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.13619 (the key is Theorem 0.11, and while I still find it mysterious, I also find it beautiful)

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/164601/central-idempotents-from-characters-in-frobenius-algebras-generalizing-lusztig/509672#509672 (in hindsight, the only trick here was to take a very simple example and modify the trace form a bit)

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/26520/rational-congruence-of-binomial-coefficient-matrices/509509#509509 (maybe it would have been easy to anyone who knew Kravchuk polynomials; maybe it's even a known result about them; but nothing in the problem shouted "Kravchuk polynomials" at me)

https://mathoverflow.net/questions/420318/proving-the-spectrum-of-the-young-jucys-murphy-elements-by-formal-computation-in/509909#509909 (this one took lots of back-and-forth and work of my own, and the proof is rather long and weird).

In terms of accretion, I think these aren't any worse than the typical useful paper. We don't usually motivate our proofs either, and much of the time we can't, since our discovery process is 90% subconscious and resists verbalization. Sometimes we tell a good just-so story afterwards, but that's not necessarily better than whatever parallel-constructed rationalization a reader comes up with. Even Euler's results on formal power series aren't fully "explained" yet.

The divergence between formalization and readable exposition has been a problem for decades; it has been plaguing every proof assistant in history. In fact the inability of proof assistants to break through the usability barrier -- for reasons that are not even easy to articulate -- has been a major reason why I was so skeptical of AI timelines as late as a year ago. But AI actually offers a new approach to this problem: generate formal proofs (in Lean) and informal proofs (in TeX) simultaneously, with the objective function (besides correctness of the formal proof) being the speed at which a different (possibly weaker) AI can formalize the informal proof, divided by the length of the latter. This doesn't look much harder than what Fabian Glöckle has done in https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.03071 (he built a whole in-silico maths community out of agents), and I think it's only a matter of time until someone tries it. If it works, we'll have LLMs generate proofs that are both correct and readable. Whether they will be *conceptual* and *inspiring* are different, more subjective questions, but these qualities are already rare in existing human-authored mathematics.

Eliminating the overhang might not be a bad thing! I have given up on several projects when I learned the answers were *probably* in the literature. If there was an easy way I could extract them from that literature, I would feel a lot better about that! A very natural question about Coxeter groups (do they have spin extensions like in type A? details at https://mathoverflow.net/questions/285263/a-spin-extension-of-a-coxeter-group ) sits unresolved because I find the existing work impenetrable to an extent I'm not sure if it even claims (let alone proves) an answer. Yet I've seen people just assume the result as if it was well-known. Do I want to invest a couple weeks into what would then likely be unpublishable? No, but I would happily invest a hundred tokens and share the answer with the community. (Right now GPT is not good enough for this yet; generally, it struggles with injectivity proofs.)

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