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Jameson Graber's avatar

A few thoughts.

1. Geoff Hinton has said lots of stupid things about AI.

2. In some sense it feels like researchers at the more elite schools are *more* threatened by these developments. I'm just a humble math professor trying to make an honest living as a teacher-scholar. I'm not trying to solve Millenium Prize problems. I've always thought teaching was an essential pillar of my calling, since long before the AI explosion. In fact, I've always thought that giving a talk at a conference is part of that pillar.

3. Which brings me to my next point. The mathematicians *I* interact with (including some very, very good ones) certainly don't *seem* to cling to this "honor code" as you call it (though maybe they do, behind my back?). It's more about what you bring to your particular intellectual community. But then again, maybe this is because, as I said, I'm not trying to knock out age-old conjectures.

4. We did not sell a bill of goods to 8 billion people. 99% of the planet has no idea what we do and never did. They probably assume we get paid to teach (which, to be fair, is true). Even the funding that is given out by the government for us to do research is largely allocated by...us. This is an impressive situation. It seems the people who need most convincing that mathematics will still be useful in the future are mathematicians. OK maybe computer scientists too.

5. All of the hand wringing about how college degrees are going to be worthless misses an extremely important point. According to an intellectual's criteria for utility, college degrees *already are* useless and have been for many years, probably decades. AI has certainly made cheating much easier (seriously, people, stop grading homework!) but students always found ways to cheat. What's interesting is that when I talk to prospective students, they actually don't seem to be that down on the whole idea of college. The drop in demand for college these days has much more to do with the demographic cliff than with AI. What value exactly people get out of going to college is a huge complex issue, but I can assure you it is mostly not intellectual.

6. I try to remain mostly optimistic about what AI can do for us mathematicians, at least in the short run. If it can prove lemmas and theorems for us, great. Calculators brought an end to one kind of doing math, AI will bring an end to another kind. In the long run, though, I gotta say there is something deeply unsettling about the confident prediction that, sure, machines will eventually be better than humans at math in every way, including creativity. When that is the case, I think there is literally nothing that they need humans for--those same skills will also make them scientists and engineers and anything they want ("want"??) to be. If they can "understand" the world in even greater clarity than we can, then basically this planet belongs to them. So, yeah, for me it's hard to just casually read over such predictions and think "oh yeah of course why not." And when I read this whole thing from that perspective, I think, are we even talking about the right thing?

Evan's avatar

The "closed system" framing is worth pushing on because it collapses under foundational scrutiny. Logicism, formalism, intuitionism, and predicativism give genuinely different answers to what mathematics is, and Gödel ensured no single answer could be complete. Excluded middle, impredicative definitions, proof by contradiction - these remain contested. Brouwer, Weyl, and Bishop worked seriously within frameworks that reject large portions of what Mathlib assumes. ZFC plus classical logic is a philosophical commitment, not neutral ground..

The 200,000-line blob is more troubling than the accretiveness argument alone captures. Every formal verification inherits unresolved foundational commitments, and an unreadable proof makes it impossible to assess which assumptions are doing the real work. Kontorovich's canonization is precisely the process of making those commitments visible and negotiable, embedding results into the corpus in a way that exposes what is actually being assumed. A proof nobody can follow forecloses that negotiation rather than contributing to it.

Your point about intelligibility being structural rather than aesthetic is right, but the foundational picture strengthens it considerably. Mathematical truth was never independent of the framework in which a proof was constructed, always relative to axioms chosen and logic adopted, with canonization as the mechanism by which those choices got examined and refined. When a human proves something difficult, the proof demonstrates comprehension of that framework... vs the blob which demonstrates only that the kernel accepted it.

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